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The Unpopular Woman Love Post

Guys, what's up with halfamoon this year? It's so very, very quiet... Anyway, to breathe a bit of life into this community, I decided to come up with the ever popular Unpopular Woman Love Post.

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Feb. 2nd, 2012 08:21 pm (UTC)
Aggra - World of Warcraft - game and books.

And this is where I show my true fandom geekiness. WoW.

Aggra. She who is most hated. She's taken Thrall away from the fannish pairing with Jaina. She's turned Thrall into a wimp. She's not pretty in the way a woman should be. She's a Mary Sue.

I disagree. This is how I see Aggra.

She's strong, opinionated, and she sees Thrall for who he really is. She sees past the trappings of the Warchief to see the orc within him. She is his equal. She helps Thrall relearn his connection to the elements and helps him to become the most powerful Shaman in Azeroth. She falls in love with the orc, not the Warchief, not the Shaman... the person. When he is captured and falls into despair, she is the one who gathers help and chases him across the world and elemental planes, working to put him back together. She helps him with his pain and towards seeing a future where he can be happy - live his life with a mate and have children, something he never thought he'd have. Aggra pushes her mate to be more, to fulfill his dreams, to become the person he wants to be, because that person is the one that can save the world. And she stands by him through it all. She is his rock. She kicks ass and is never the damsel in distress. She's the knight who saves her prince.

Edited at 2012-02-02 08:22 pm (UTC)
Feb. 2nd, 2012 08:40 pm (UTC)
Mary Bennet (Pride and Prejudice)

Mary Bennet, aka the forgotten Bennet sister.

She's not all goodness and beauty (like Jane), she doesn't have a sharp wit and fine eyes (like Lizzy), and she's not empty-head or boy-crazy (like Kitty and Lydia).

She reads books no one else likes, she likes to play the piano and sing and she doesn't care if she's the best at it.

If she were alive today she'd be the bookworm who posts YouTube videos of herself singing along to Glee.
Feb. 2nd, 2012 09:08 pm (UTC)
I love Mary because she reminds me of myself.
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Feb. 2nd, 2012 09:30 pm (UTC)
Katniss Everdeen (The Hunger Games)

It seems wrong, right? She's so obviously awesome. The YA (and non-YA) heroine I'd been waiting for. Brave, vulnerable, skilled with a bow, complex, prickly, wry, smart, caring, and not wrapped up in a boy. But I've had to defend Katniss and watch others defend her so many times it's shocked me. I know I likely identify with her (though she's waaaay cooler than I am) more than the average reader, but her apparent abrasiveness (or non-gushing over fan-favorite Peeta?) makes her a hard sell to plenty. I'm baffled, truly. I love her to death; I haven't taken dislike of a character this personally in a long time. Or maybe ever.
Feb. 2nd, 2012 09:36 pm (UTC)
I love Katniss too, and she is the main reason why I liked the Hunger Games trilogy so much. Your "Team Katniss" icon really says it all.
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Feb. 2nd, 2012 09:42 pm (UTC)
DS Sally Donovan, "Sherlock" (BBC) (spoilers for series two!)

Sally Donovan gets a lot of hate both in fandom and in canon because she dares take a negative view of the titular protagonist. We're supposed to judge her for disliking and being suspicious of Sherlock, for sleeping with a married man, for being taken in by an extremely well-organized and thorough charade that fooled everyone else too.

But you know what? Sally is amazing. She's confident, forthright, not afraid to express and believe in her opinions, prepared to follow her instincts when she has the evidence to back them up. Sally is a woman of color, a sergeant no less, in a police force otherwise made up of white men. She is damn good at her job.

Sally Donovan is someone worth looking up to and respecting, no matter what canon wants us to think.

Edited at 2012-02-02 09:43 pm (UTC)
Feb. 2nd, 2012 10:28 pm (UTC)
Re: DS Sally Donovan, "Sherlock" (BBC) (spoilers for series two!)
Everything you say is true; and while I have gone through and worked to defend Molly Hooper, I have never thought about Sally. I shall remedy that.
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Feb. 2nd, 2012 10:59 pm (UTC)
Abigail Marston - Red Dead Redemption (game)

I don't know whether I'll get any replies to a gaming fandom, but I absolutely adore this lady, and apparently she gets a lot of hate for nagging the game's protagonist and for, I don't know, daring to have her own personality and opinions? (One article even complained about her as John Marston's "giant-assed, former prostitute wife," because...this is somehow relevant? She doesn't look "giant-assed" to me, and even if she is by whatever standards of beauty/thinness are being applied...why does that matter?) But whatever, I LOVE HER. She is snarky and prickly and tough and she doesn't take crap from anybody, including the husband and son she deeply loves, and anyway her relationship with John is this adorable thing where they express love through bickering and insults. Also let's talk about how she's a strong-minded woman in a world where women in general are hugely disadvantaged and she scared off one of Edgar Ross's assholes who was all "heyyyy former prostitute I bet I can harass you" and discovered he was SO WRONG. I mean, she and her son were kidnapped and held hostage to force her husband back into the life he'd tried to give up, and she's just kind of flippant about it when it's over, because she's a survivor and she's gotten through plenty of worse things. And okay, she's a former prostitute, which doesn't define her even though some of the nastier characters keep talking about it, and she's built a life for herself and her family when she never had a model for a decent home or family or male/female relationships through like...her entire life. Also she's super badass in multiplayer, and admittedly that doesn't really count because it's multiplayer and not canon, but I like to think it's mildly canon confirmation that she's just as capable of badassery as her husband.
Feb. 3rd, 2012 12:06 am (UTC)
Detective Joss Carter, Person of Interest

In a show with a ridiculous premise and characters with implausible abilities, she's the one who gets judged as being unrealistic/unlikable... which just boggles my mind.

I love it that she has compassion for others but holds to a strong sense of justice and rightness. She doesn't back down when faced with opposition. Carter has balance--her life is full of responsibilities but she never whines about it.

Also, Taraji P. Henson makes the best "Yeah, right, you idiot" faces ever.

Edited at 2012-02-03 12:11 am (UTC)
Feb. 3rd, 2012 12:12 am (UTC)
Recruitment post for Person of Interest. Three of my nine reasons I watch the show include Carter.

PIC! I couldn't get it to work in the original comment.

Edited at 2012-02-03 12:29 am (UTC)
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Feb. 3rd, 2012 06:02 pm (UTC)
Koriand'r (DCnU)

Kori gets a lot of hate in the DCnU for not being her previous-universe self: she's not bubbly and happy all of the time, she's not pining after a man who doesn't love her any more, she has casual sex without love being involved, and she refuses to talk about things in her past which make her unhappy to the point of claiming she doesn't even remember them.

But I think that new Kori has a lot of awesome in her, and I'd really love to see more love for her.

+ She doesn't have many friends, but she wants friends who make her laugh.
+ Nobody owns her or her body but herself.
+ She's a woman, and yet she's not just claiming the "my extreme violence is my honor" barbarian role on a team which includes two rather violent men but actually succeeding at being the team's reliable powerhouse.
+ Despite (or because of?) living in exile on a political backwater planet like Earth, she's very proud of her heritage.
+ Despite somewhat questionable taste in bikinis (chainmail and swimming) (not that bikinis are entirely unsuitable for someone solar-powered and largely invulnerable) she can pull off some fabulous human attire if she wants to.
+ Her character flaws seem to come from being unwilling to trust or open up emotionally, which is to say: from a fannish perspective she should be perfect.

Koriand&apos;r bursts out of a giant monster&apos;s stomach and hauls Jason and Roy to safety, saying: &apos;Those were unacceptable accommodations for a princess. Let us away.&apos;
Feb. 3rd, 2012 10:37 pm (UTC)
Gwen Cooper (Torchwood)

Most people, if they saw what she did on a rainy night in Cardiff, would do their best to pretend they never saw it. Instead she goes chasing down the truth, horrifying though it is, and even when Captain Jack tries to take the memory away, she fights to hold on to just enough to bring it all back and solve the mystery.

She's willing to risk her life and her bodily autonomy to fix a mistake that she's made. And yes, she makes mistakes, but so does everybody else in the show. (Everybody on the Torchwood team is deeply flawed; she's actually the least fucked-up of the bunch.

Also, she looks awesome with a gun. Always a bonus.
Feb. 4th, 2012 07:33 am (UTC)
Gwen Cooper is FABULOUS!

I love how her arrival made the rest of the team realize just how jaded they'd become by all the alien-stuff. In that, Gwen reminded them to care about the human victims involved, not just the cool alien-tech.

I also love that Gwen makes mistakes and misjudges things but she never, EVER gives up. No matter how bleak the situation, Gwen continues to FIGHT and inspires others to do the same. I think that's amazing.
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Feb. 4th, 2012 08:16 am (UTC)

Tory Foster, Battlestar Galactica (2003)


I love Tory because she was much more complicated than her canon allowed her to be. She was constantly searching for a place to belong and a sense of purpose and I think that's the reason she so easily embraced her cylon-ness.

I think she sort of worshipped Roslin and was beyond devastated to lose Roslin's respect thanks to the Baltar situation and even more devastated when she realized Roslin was wrong about Earth. I think that was the moment she chose to break ties with Roslin completely, when she truly stopped believing in her.

I found Tory's dynamic with Ellen absolutely fascinating and I'm really bummed we got so little of it. I like to believe that Ellen + Roslin mourned Tory after her murder (despite not seeing anything to suggest that on-screen) and that Ellen will always hate Tyrol just a little bit for what he did to Tory.

I love Tory because she was smart and competent and knew how to get shit done. I love Tory because she was equal parts confident and insecure. I love Tory because I think she desperately wanted to be accepted for who she was, even if that meant shaping herself into a completely different person. I love Tory because I think she had a tremendous amount of respect for the women around her and she found it so much easier to connect to them than to the men she dated. I love Tory because she was not the villain the show made her out to be, but just someone who did whatever she could to survive and sometimes struggled with justifying her actions even to herself.
Feb. 5th, 2012 07:46 pm (UTC)
My biggest issue with Tory is actually canon's treatment of her, not fandom's, although that hasn't been anything to sing about either.

I wish we'd known you better, Tory!
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Feb. 5th, 2012 12:10 am (UTC)
Callista Ming, Star Wars EU

Callista was a beautiful character when written by Hambly. Anderson fucked everything up with Darksaber, but I've never been able to tell if that was because of his poor grasp of the character or TPTB demanding that Callista be shuttled out so that a certain red head* could be coupled with Luke.

Callista also gets a huge amount of hate, usually from Mara Jade "purists". :(

* Who I actually liked until they shacked her up with Luke.
Feb. 5th, 2012 04:24 pm (UTC)
Subject: Francesca Vecchio (due South)

No, Ma, I can’t go to the butcher’s...Because I’m busy...Ma, it’s always what you need and what Ray needs. What about what I need sometime?...What do I need? How about being treated like a valuable, respected human being for a change?...No, Ma. The butcher does not respect me. "Kiss me and I’ll give you a pork round" does not constitute respect.
Feb. 5th, 2012 07:49 pm (UTC)
I don't understand how people don't love Frannie, especially into the later seasons of the show, when they start rounding out the character.

That quote says pretty much everything.

(At the most recent due South con, the actress who played Thatcher said that she'd wished that Frannie and Thatcher's epilogue blurbs - stoping the Russians vs having an awful lot of babies - had been flipped. HEAD CANON. I want to read all of the BAMF cop!Frannie stories.)
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Feb. 5th, 2012 04:43 pm (UTC)
Subject: Stella Kowalski (due South)

Let's just see if I've got the full picture here. You've got two mute suspects, a hundred witnesses, none of whom can identify them, no motive, and the three of you apparently were in different time zones when the crime occurred. It's amazing you can keep your jobs.
Feb. 5th, 2012 07:50 pm (UTC)
Stella <3
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Rebecca St. Clair, Warehouse 13
You guys, I want to be Rebecca when I grow up.

From the second she first shows up, she is schooling everyone in Artifact-hunting, despite having been out of the job for 50 years - and let's talk about that for a moment. In a job with a VERY high mortality/going-batshit-insane rate, Rebecca made it out alive and with her wits intact.
Yes, she missed Jack; yes, she kept looking for him, I feel, pretty much until she got confirmation from Pete and Myka that he was dead. But that wasn't ALL OF HER LIFE; she made a career and life for herself while she was at it, and did a damn good job.
She had reservations about the Warehouse even while she was there, but that didn't stop her from being a kickass agent (and a better shot than Jack).
Feb. 5th, 2012 10:57 pm (UTC)
Claudia Donovan, Warehouse 13
There are pockets of fandom that think Claudia's too whiny-teenager and a bit of a show-stealer. And I can see that.

But she is a great big pile of awesome. I mean, look at her entrance to the show: She hacks into a top-secret government facility and kidnaps one of its agents, all in the name of getting a little help rescuing her brother.

She's a technical genius, she's insecure about the things that aren't her strengths, and she will go to any lengths to protect her family.

Edited at 2012-02-05 10:57 pm (UTC)
Feb. 6th, 2012 07:38 pm (UTC)
Re: Claudia Donovan, Warehouse 13
I adore Claudia!
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Feb. 5th, 2012 11:01 pm (UTC)
Leena, Warehouse 13
(Minor S3 spoilers in this one.)

Leena deserves all the love, okay - not just from fandom, but from the show itself. I finally figured out the problem; the plotlines on the show hardly ever take place in the Warehouse, and Leena rarely leaves.
But STILL. She's the emotional rock of the Warehouse family; one of my favorite moments in S3 was her rescuing Claudia from the fortune-teller machine. She's also come into her own again after MacPherson Artifact-whammying her. (Related to that: some people complained that the show writers didn't work Genelle Williams' pregnancy into the show, but considering MacPherson had already mind-raped Leena, I'm so glad they didn't go down that road.)
Feb. 6th, 2012 07:39 pm (UTC)
Re: Leena, Warehouse 13
Leena was the first Warehouse 13 character I fell for. She's fabulous.
Feb. 5th, 2012 11:11 pm (UTC)
Liz, Sneakers
I have no Liz icons; this is a travesty.

Sneakers has next to no fandom as it is, but those of us in it tend to ignore Liz in favor of the boys' club (I'm guilty of this myself; I can never seem to get a bead on her). It's too bad, though, because she's totally badass. She resists being dragged into the middle of Bishop's shenanigans, presumably having been down that road before, but once she's in the thick of it, she holds her own with class, even suffering through the most awkward date in existence.
She's also the one who explains what Cryptographer Dude is on about - and Bishop goes to her with the job not (mainly) because he wants to see her again, but because she's a mathematician. Awesome.
Feb. 5th, 2012 11:29 pm (UTC)
Angel Salvadore, X-men:First Class
Every named female character from XMFC except possibly Mrs. Lehnsherr deserves an entry on this post, but I'm going to start with Angel. She had a small role, and it contained several really annoying tropes, and yet (in large part due to Ms. Kravitz, I suspect) Angel came off as a real person with self-possession and a coherent motivation. I may not have agreed with her big plot-advancing decision, but I found it entirely comprehensible.

Unfortunately, not least because she's a female character of color, First Class fandom has really hated on her, calling her everything from stuck-up and snooty to ugly and masculine-looking. Ugh.

Angel wasn't a perfect heroine, nor a villain-you-love-to-hate. She was a complex woman in a four-color world, and I really liked her.

Edited at 2012-02-05 11:35 pm (UTC)
Feb. 6th, 2012 12:10 am (UTC)
I love her too. The thing that kills me about her is the fact that HOW DARE PEOPLE HATE ON HER WHEN ERIK MAKES SO MANY OF THE SAME DECISIONS. I mean, if you think about it, in the long-term, both Erik and Angel sacrifice their identity as human in order to define themselves as mutants and only mutants. Once they've done that, they take the steps they feel are necessary to protect their people and their home from the people who "otherized" them for various reasons. Of course it's more complicated than that, but I feel like at a surprisingly large amount of their core motivation is identical.

Yet Erik is mourned with "could have, should have, would have" beens and the blame is placed primarily on Shaw, while Angel is written off as being some horrible monster for betraying them all.

Basically, it reminds me time and again why even though I love Charles and Erik, for instance, I'm making sure that Emma, Moira, Angel and Raven all get their well-deserved love when I write XMFC fics.

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Feb. 6th, 2012 12:58 am (UTC)
M'gann Morrz-- Young Justice Animated

She loves her friends so much that even the idea that one of them might die caused her to break the telepathic simulation.

She's cute and sweet and pretty and feminine-- and hands down the most powerful person on the team.
Feb. 6th, 2012 07:40 pm (UTC)
*three cheers of agreement*
Feb. 6th, 2012 04:44 am (UTC)
Lori Grimes: The Walking Dead (TV)


I admit I struggled with Robert Kirkman's writing of Lori in the comic, but I've absolutely loved what they've done with her on the show. Callies's embodiment of her humanity--her strength and frailty--won me over from the beginning. So I was pissed when I inevitably read comments from people who think Lori is a slut for sleeping with Shane before Rick came back alive. I guess a zombie apocalypse hasn't erased the old double standard yet...
Feb. 6th, 2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
Lt. Nyota Uhura, Star Trek Reboot
I've started this four times and discarded my essay each time because it just doesn't do justice to the sparking fierce awesomeness of Lt. Nyota Uhura. (Besides, writing about how thoroughly and hideously she's been maligned in Star Trek fandom would give me an ulcer.)

Instead, I'm going to link to some of the essays I saved from 2009:


And I will say this:

I love Uhura for being competent, brilliant, self-possessed and sensible, and for not being disbelieved on any of these by the text, if that makes sense -- for instance, so many people questioned Martha Jones's intelligence in canon, and every time I died a little inside even though every time she proved herself once again. No one inside Star Trek doubts that Uhura's capable and brilliant and brave, because she proves it so spectacularly, but also because she lives in the future, in a universe that doesn't doubt her existence to her face. She's my signpost that we Black women belong in the future too, that everyone does, no matter how many people say, not least by despising her, that we don't.

Edited at 2012-02-06 05:58 pm (UTC)
Feb. 6th, 2012 06:02 pm (UTC)
Re: Lt. Nyota Uhura, Star Trek Reboot
People hate Uhura? That makes no sense.
Feb. 13th, 2012 05:15 am (UTC)
Nina Sharp, Fringe

I've always had a thing for redheads, and HBICs in general, and Nina definitely fits the bill. While she's not exactly on the side of good this season, I still find Nina to be the most interesting character on the show. She heads one of the most powerful companies in the world, has a fabulous robot arm, and an amazing designer wardrobe. Superficiality aside, I think what I love most about Nina is the air of mystery she exudes. It's been 3 and a half seasons and we're still not sure whose side Nina is on. Despite the outpouring of hate against Nina for her recent actions, I know I will always adore her, even if she is trying to destroy both universes.
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